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November 21, 2008 at 10:48am

COMMENT: Rolling Stone's "100 Greatest Singers of All Time"

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Listen, I get that these "Top Whatever of Whatever" lists are inherently useless. Art is subjective, and what might make my Top 10 albums, movies, TV shows, or "Top Model" contestants probably wouldn't be anywhere near your list. So I get that these compilations are almost as pointless as the magazines or organizations that compile them. (Actually, scratch that: these lists have a point, and it's to get people talking.)

But in what cracked-out alternate universe is Rolling Stone living where BOB DYLAN comes in at No. 7 in its "Top 100 Greatest Singers of All Time" list? Bob Dylan is great at many things --- writing songs, inspiring musicians, giving me night terrors --- but he is in no way a good singer, much less a great one. The magazine's rationale seems to be that he's great because he sucks. Before Bob Dylan, it argues, musicians actually had to be able to sing. After him, that no longer mattered. Wow; give the man a medal. In his tribute to Dylan, U2's Bono (ugh) says that he's important because "you believe his voice is telling the truth." In the introduction, RS writer Jonathan Lethem opines that Dylan and Patti Smith (No. 83) "are superb singers by any measure I could ever care about - expressivity, surprise, soul, grain, interpretive wit, angle of vision."

In other words, it doesn't matter that they can't actually sing, that they just mumble and shout. They still somehow belong on a list of the GREATEST SINGERS OF ALL TIME. Alrighty, then.

The list includes some other total head-scratchers - Howlin' Wolf at No. 31? NEIL F'ING YOUNG at No. 37? Why not Tiny Tim; they have the same voice. Some others placed WAY too close to the top (Little Richard at No. 12, over Roy Orbison; Steve Winwood at No. 33). And others still that placed way too close to the end (Annie Lennox at No. 93? That's in the "Bitch, Please" Hall of Fame, right there). It's topped off with a No. 1 choice so obvious it's barely worth mentioning.

But the greater crime is the people left off the list completely. Singers who can actually SING, some of them extremely influential to the music biz and the artists of today. Just scrolling through my iPod I came up with this list of people who didn't make the Top 100, in favor of people like Iggy Pop (No. 75; love him, but in no way a singer), Toots Hibbert (No. 71; give me a break, you faux-elitist douchebags), and Christina Aguilera (No. 58; apparently nobody noticed that tricks are for kids). Who else do you think was left off the list?

-Ann Wilson of Heart (TOTALLY ROBBED)

-Debbie Harry of Blondie (Without Debbie, we wouldn't have Madonna, Britney, or Xtina - but don't hold that against her)

-Michael Stipe of R.E.M. (With all the other emo guys on here, how did Stipe not make the list?)

-ABBA (The Everly Brothers are on there, and I would argue that the harmonies of Agnetha and Ani-Frid are just as luscious)

-Brian Johnson of AC/DC (Now THERE is a signature howl I can get behind)

-Russell Hitchcock of Air Supply (Oh, shut it; that guy can sing)

-Billy Joel (Not an arbiter of cool, but the guy has a fantastic voice)

-Bonnie Tyler (Again, you want soul and grit? Fine; but here's a person with it, and she actually sings)

-Carole King (Absolute crime that she was left off the list)

-Chaka Khan (Like, really? No Chaka Khan? At all?)

-Peter Cetera of Chicago (If Steve Winwood can make into the Top 50, Peter Cetera should be on there somewhere)

-Cyndi Lauper (Essential to the 80s, and underneath all the neon hair and shredded clothes, a great big voice)

-Donna Summer (Disco was the pop of the 70s, and nobody did it better than Donna)

-Michael McDonald of the Doobie Brothers (Great soulful voice, and distinctive, too)

-Darryl Hall of Hall & Oates (The definition of blue-eyed soul)

-The Indigo Girls (Again, if the Righteous Brothers are on there, I don't see how these two were omitted)

-Michael Hutchence from INXS (A great soulful voice with surprising range)

-Joan Osborne (A killer voice with shades of blues, rock, and pop)

-K.D. Lang (TOTALLY ROBBED)

-Lauryn Hill (Yeah, she spazzed out, but her voice is undeniable)

-Meat Loaf (A cheese factory, but those operatic vocals demand respect)

-Chrissie Hynde (TOTALLY ROBBED)

-George Michael (Great singer, essential to 90s pop rock)

-Dionne Warwick (If you've got Aretha and Dusty, how do you not have Dionne?)

-Pat Benatar (The woman was classically trained for opera, and churned out some of the greatest anthems of the 80's)

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kara said on Nov. 21, 2008 at 11:25am

I agree with some of the people you think were left off the list but how are you gonna complain about people who can actually sing not being on the list and then put down Christina Aguilera's place on the list. I may not be fan of most of her music but that girl has one of the best voices ever. Certainly better than your choices of George Michael or Debbie Harry. In any case, this list was mainly compiled by over 150 musical artists and legends like Keith Richards, Etta James, and Bruce Springsteen as well as industry people and rock journalists, so I wouldn't totally blame this stuff on Rolling Stone alone. I think the term singer has a lot more to do with being a vocalist, so a lot of the people that made this list I don't have a huge problem with them being on it. I think for once they have a pretty decent list although some should definitely be higher than others.

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mark g said on Nov. 21, 2008 at 6:09pm

Bob Dylan has the greatest rock singing voice of all time. Listen closely and one day it will hit you.

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R.E. Prindle said on Nov. 21, 2008 at 9:04pm

Bob Dylan's voice ain't never going to 'hit' me. It flew completely over my head. Some nice songs though.

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oorstevie said on Nov. 22, 2008 at 9:30pm

...actually...i say that bob dylan should be at number two (john lennon at number one). i mean, what is the criteria for inclusion in nthe list? lets see...technical sterility like the three tenors, bono, celine dion (ugh), diana ross (ugh), all the rap artists (uuuuuuugggghhh!!!!!!), etc. lets give credit where credit is due, i.e., to an artist expressing themself in the matrix of a song he/she has written or being able to do the same by being nthe first one to fully understand anothers song and sing it as it should be sung. this is what dylan does almost all the time with all the songs he sings...especially the live and / or bootleg songs he releases. come on, come on, come on folks...give credit where credit is due. in his genre, dylan stand equal to or greater than, ANY singer out there of any period. singing is more than just going through the scales...it is actually about expression...and dylan expresses himself / song, or song / himself, in that voice of his better than most, equal to a few, buy second to none (except maybe...just maybe...john lennon).

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maryanne said on Nov. 22, 2008 at 10:10pm

Everyone has their own opinion and I think Elvis Presley has the greatest voice I totally disagree with you on Bob Dylan I LOVE BOB DYLAN there never was or ever will be another he is unique , prophetic, incredible song writer, writes about all of us who have loved and lost..searching this world for meaning, he is as real as real can be. I only listen to Dylan every day, every night. The #8 basement tapes are intriguing Mississippi is great! I love Renaldo and Clara,. "Those not busy being born are busy dying" Think about that. I love all the different voices of Bob Dylan. Thanx like I said we are all entitled to our own opinion and mine is he is the greatest!

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Renfrew Zetz said on Nov. 26, 2008 at 10:57am

I like Chrissie Hynde as much as anyone, but if you think that a) she was "totally robbed" and that b) the sum total of Dylan's singing is equal to a "mumble and shout" then you don't have much of an idea of what it takes to be a "good" singer. Hynde has always had a tough time staying on key, especially on ballads. And yet, I still like her voice. It suits her songs. But she in no way shape or form belongs on such a list wherein Dylan does not. If you have a problem with Dylan's voice it's entirely based in aesthetic response. Regardless of whether his style, tone or sound appeals to you (and if it doesn't you are not alone and that is a perfectly understandable reaction) if you think Dylan is a terrible singer in terms of craft, then again, you simply don't know what it takes to be a singer. Dylan is a master, and what's more, he achieved an astounding proficiency in vocal ability at a very young age.

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Scott Mathews said on Nov. 26, 2008 at 2:56pm

Dylan is to singers, as Picasso is to painters

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rockon said on Nov. 27, 2008 at 9:23am

Dylan? The man can;t even speak much less sing. Look, there are a lot of singers, guitar players, etc. whose style and performance I like, but I realize that these people aren not necessarily "good" singers. players, etc. I LIKE the way Keith Richards sings, it fits the songs he does sing on. Is he a good singer? No. But using some of the logic I've seen here I could make at least as good of an arguemnt for it as the Dylan apologists. By the way, Bob Dylan is the most over-rated performer of the rock era.

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Renfrew Zetz said on Nov. 28, 2008 at 9:48am

"Overrated" is a term of negligible utility in cultural commentary and is most often employed by those who are irked that numbers of more voluble people find value in something that they don't. It is neither a descriptive nor informative term, and is useful only as an indicator of the temperament of those who like to fling it about.

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Philip said on Nov. 28, 2008 at 7:52pm

When you rank Bob Dylan, Neil Young and Patti Smith among the greatest singers of all time, the list ceases be a list about vocal prowess and is simply another rehashing of Rolling Stones all time favorite artists. Singing has nothing to do with it any more.

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rockon said on Nov. 29, 2008 at 2:31pm

Or "overrated" can be a term referring to the general population's sheep like tendency to jump on a band wagon and embrace something that has no value simply because others proclaim it to be "good". Hee hee, "vocal ability" and one hell of a harmonica player, too.

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Renfrew Zetz said on Nov. 30, 2008 at 10:32am

No, "overrated" is rather a term used only by the terminally intellectually lazy and those so threatened by that which they can't understand that the only response they can muster is to attack and to posit themselves as the sole bold transgressors who dare cry out that the emperor is wearing no clothes. A noble effort; sadly, those who are inclined to engage in such tactics typically are poor of taste and impoverished of perceptive scope.

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Eric said on Nov. 30, 2008 at 11:27am

Not to put too fine a point on it, Renfrew, but you're doing exactly what you're critiquing the previous poster of doing: attacking and acting as though you're the only person who knows what's best. You might try to disguise the swipes with $10 words, but that doesn't make them any less aggressive. So how about we offer opinions on the list or the post, and keep the personal attacks to a minimum.

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Renfrew Zetz said on Nov. 30, 2008 at 12:00pm

I honestly don't see how "acting as though (I'm) the only person who knows best" can be read any more into my posts than it could be into your original blog entry, Eric. You and rockon dismiss Dylan by stating flatly that "he can't sing," but don't follow up with any compelling statements explaining why it is that Dylan can't sing; your reasons indicate solely that his singing isn't to your taste. Which is fine. I know, like and respect a lot of people who don't like Dylan's music, and dislike it for variying reasons. I just question the critical utility of making such flat-out statements free of definition of terms or at least a grounded backing aesthetic argument. The statement "Dylan can't sing" says nothing other than that you don't like his voice. True, I may be reflexively responding in the more powerfully negative to rockon, because rockon suggests that everyone who appreciates Dylan is drinking the Kool-Aid, jumping on a bandwagon and is therefore unable to make personal decisions as to what does or doesn't sound good or meaningful without first checking which way the wind blows, (and implicitly should be a daring and original thinker along the lines of, say, rockon). That's an approach I've encountered before, and one I reject. In writing. The same way the original opinion was expressed. With that, I'll lighten up on the subject and let further like commentary ride in the interest of overall harmony of the City site, to which I'd like to express gratitude for allowing me to express these opinions.

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Eric said on Nov. 30, 2008 at 12:22pm

Renfrew: Thanks for that response. Believe it or not, I agree with a great many of your points, and I thank you for posting them to this site. I'm thrilled that you disagree, and that you can communicate your thoughts so effectively. All I was asking is that we limit the dismissive responses to the other posters. Disagree all you like -- we welcome it! -- but I'm just trying to ensure a posting environment where people can feel free to share their thoughts without things descending into personal attacks. To clarify: I don't think you did that, but I was growing uncomfortable with what I saw as increasingly personal messages. Please feel free to continue posting, and let's all make sure that we remain respectful.

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LP Quagmire said on Feb. 08, 2009 at 7:03pm

Hey, you can't take anything seriously if it's in Rolling Stone. The criteria for such a list would have to be so wide as to render the results completely meaningless. There are great rock singers, great country singers, and great blues singers . Obviously, the vocal requirements are going to differ from genre to genre. If the list is meant to encompass all styles of music, then Streisand obviously has to be in there, just as Diana Ross belongs on there with the other r&b greats noted. Moreover, if that list is intended to be a definitive guide to the best vocalists of the 20th Century (and beyond!) where's Sinatra?! Where's Tony Bennett? Heck, where's Pavarotti and k.d. Lang? Tom Jones? Cher? Percy Sledge? How can Elton John be on there and not Billy Joel? Where's Harry Chapin? Elvis Costello? Loretta Lynn? Patsy Cline? The Gibb Brothers? Chit, I better stop before I've compiled a "100 Greatest" list myself!!! Oh well, at least Bryan Adams and Britney didn't make the list...

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